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Anmol

1 month ago

INTP
Gemini
Book Recommandation: The Emperor's New Mind by Roger Penrose

Emperor's New Mind, written by Roger Penrose, one of the greatest living physicist, is about the problem of consciousness. The main claim of the book, contrary to popular belief is that consciousness can never be emulated by a machine. Ever increasing sophisticated AI systems makes many researchers believe that it's just a matter of 50 to 100 years and we will be able to make a machine that will not only cross human general intelligence but also human consciousness. But he is making an argument using all the known laws of physics and mathematics and computer science, that it's impossible. Consciousness is not just set of algorithms and data, we require something else. By something else he of course does not mean something in mystical regime. This leads to his another claim, that current known laws of physics are insufficient to explain the consciousness phenomenon. And we need new laws in the domain between quantum mechanics and classical mechanics. This submicroscopic domain is actually unexplored. Untested. Most physicists think that quantum mechanics and classical mechanics are sufficient to explain that territory as well. But Penrose thinks that there exists new physics in that domain, and that new physics will help in understanding the consciousness. There are also some physicists working in quantum gravity and foundational problems in quantum mechanics, who thinks about the existence of new physics in this domain, however for the reasons purely based on physics. This is one of the most meaningful book to read if one is interested in consciousness problem.

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Konstantin

1 month ago

INFJ
Leo

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Do they have an audiobook version of this, and is it written such that it is accessible to non-physicists?

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Anmol

1 month ago

INTP
Gemini

Yes, non-physicists can totally understand it. It would make more sense to you as you are coming from Mathematics and Computer Science background. Yes, Audiobook version is available on audible. But for better understanding I think it should be read because it contains a lot of numbers and figures.

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Konstantin

1 month ago

INFJ
Leo

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Duly noted. I have heard of Penrose dipping into consciousness, but I didn't know he wrote a book on it, so this will definitely be in my queue; thank you for sharing.

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Anmol

1 month ago

INTP
Gemini

He actually wrote two books. This is the first one on the topic, and there's also follow up to this book called Shadows of the Mind in which he wrote in collaboration with a biologist who came up with a solution after reading Penrose's book. They have suggested that maybe microtubules have to do with the origin of consciousness. They have a full too theory of consciousness, which if you want you can look up directly by reading their one of the papers.

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Konstantin

1 month ago

INFJ
Leo

2w1

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I'd definitely love to read the second book. Hopefully I'll be able to digest the first. I have a hard time finding the original paper. Is it on arxiv, or do you have the link to it? Sorry if that's too much to ask.

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James

1 month ago

INTP
Capricorn

If we did discover these new physics, couldn't we build new machines to exploit them?

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Anmol

1 month ago

INTP
Gemini

Yeah, certainly we can build new machines to exploit these new realms.

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*J *

1 month ago

ENTJ
Scorpio

Came across this yesterday and was going to post today ..... Then saw this post and thought it better linked here ..... The man himself talking in an interview 🙏 https://youtu.be/hXgqik6HXc0

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