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The trap of determinism

If the world is governed by physical laws and everything is cause and effect, are your decisions truly yours, or are they just the inevitable results of chemical reactions in your brain? Can responsibility exist without free will?

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Hmm let's take an Example to evaluate...imagine a high-end self-driving car ​The determinism...the car’s hardware & AI algorithms (the chemical reactions) follow strict rules...If a sensor detects an obstacle...the car must brake ​The free will...You are the passenger who sets the destination...the car handles the cause & effect of driving but where it goes is determined by your intent 🙏

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Emmanuel

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Oh god jij maakt het moeilijk.

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Miguel

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This is a great question. If fate exists, how can we ever be sure our decisions are truly our own? In answering this, I refer to Cicero, in his work "On Fate". Imagine you are sick - if you are fated to die, why call a doctor? And, if you're fated to get well, why call a doctor? Either way, calling a doctor would be meaningless... and yet, we often do so. Why do you think it is? ;P

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Tony

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ENTJ

Everyone believes in free will whether they want to admit it or not. 😊

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Yesi

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Capricorn

I believe everything IS cause and effect but at the end of the day when it comes down to choosing between options that were presented to you by the effects of previous events, you can make a choice. So I believe that we have free will but it's not absolutely free, its limited and what we decide to do with that limited will still makes us responsible for our choices and actions and words

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Brandon

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We have to consider how much knowledge comes into play from limited experience in connection to outcomes, and social and material position in an asymmetrical field. Where in an interconnected process are we making a decision? Are we performing for safety in a social environment which is disconnected from our general biological and psychological reality? Aka, top-down rules as opposed to bottom-up? Freedom only exists where there's options. Which we choose will have some chemical reason for it, but also an information result that's beneficial for us, tending toward greater possibilities or capacity. The different "languages" of reality based on reference frame or context are more or less commensurate, or have a clean correspondence, whether that leaves a remainder or not (I tend to think it does, as required by a fractal universe).

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Remus

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Nah, you can’t define what “free will” is, so you can’t ask yourself whether you have it. So for instance when you say “truly yours”, what does that mean? Who is that “you” and how can you isolate that “you” as a specific “thing” to discuss about (such as taking decisions), without assigning to that “you” an internal decision mechanism that is implicitly deterministic, as opposed to random? Because if the “you” takes decisions that are not utterly random, it means it has a set of internal decision criteria, or reasons for which that decision was taken, so the “you” is deterministic as well. EVEN if that “you” would not be phisical. And if we accept that the “you” is entirely deterministic, should it be responsible? Well, yes, because that is the “thing” that took the decision — so you are holding responsible the exact thing that took the decision. Is it fair? As the thing that took the decidion could not have done otherwise? How do we define what “fairness” is? :)))))))) (edited)

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Tomek

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INTP

Aquarius

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Nie ma wolnej woli, wszystko jest konsekwencją

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Jesús Alejandro

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INFJ

Aries

Pues a mi punto de vista uno debe dominar a la mente, y si las decisiones que tomamos marcan mucho nuestro destino, y con respecto a lo otro es muy buena pregunta pero no se que contestarte ya que necesitaríamos debatirlo para llegar a una respuesta más concreta ya que pienso que es algo complejo

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David

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does it matter? it's impossible to determine whether free will exists because we cannot make two simultaneous and exclusive decisions to verify it. can i truly verify i can go anywhere at any time if i cannot turn left and right simultaneously? maybe I'm only allowed to take the exact path i actually took, at the rate that i took it. the question isn't free will, the question is what allows you to live better with the things you do? that whatever you do simply cannot be helped? that something else is to blame for all the good and all the evil you do? or is it better to accept your choices are your own, and thereby resolve to live the best life you can? the answer to that question is free will. whether it exists or not we cannot know, but it's better to act as if it does so that we take responsibility for our failures... and take enjoyment from our success. while struggling to minimize the first and maximize the second.

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Zane

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100% it can’t, that’s what free will is

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