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Kathryn

21d

INFP
Aquarius

5w6

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6

Thought experiment

My friend asked me a question a couple years ago and now I'm thinking about it again. There are only about 100 people left on the planet now, and you have to restart civilization, what are the rules you would have to make sure that the human race survives? For the over thinkers, there is more than enough food and water for the entire population and even for future generations if the small population at this time is careful, smart, and willing to work in order to survive.

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Doug

21d

INTP
Taurus

Well.. There's a debate as to the minimum population to avoid inbreeding. The conventional population is "50 or more" but I've read that it's too low of a number, and should be much higher to prevent genetic complications (above 100). The conventional number to actually survive long enough to make a new population is 500 or more (this is also scrutinized for being far too low). It also depends on what ratio of men vs women (I'm assuming you're giving it a 50/50 split), although if humans are busy getting the female population preggo, that dramatically impacts the population's ability to work on infrastructure, food, and water since half the population will be limited in the physical labor that can be done. Also, of course, every single death will dramatically impact the likelihood of survival. So, frankly, there's absolutely nothing you can to do "make sure" the race survives because no matter what policies you enact the odds are really, really against you - the human race is almost certainly doomed. Youd have to get very lucky, stupidly lucky, for the race to survive (including shelter, food, water, no hostile wildlife, no dangerous weather, no disease or illness, few injuries, and ridiculous luck with genetic drift).

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Toomas

20d

INFJ
Aries

2w3

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It may be quite a bit worse in the long run (regarding the inbreeding), I've seen numbers required as high as 5000 people that were mentioned in some theories, while I was reading about prehistorical population bottlenecks during great catastrophes, like supervolcano eruptions. Though I'd certainly need some googling to get back to precisely where I got that from...

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Doug

20d

INTP
Taurus

@Toomas I believe you, that definitely would make sense for very adverse environments like in prehistoric times.

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Chris

20d

ISTP
Scorpio

Also takes into account that every willing woman is doing her part for the greater good of society, regardless of personal tastes or preferences. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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Romeo

20d

INTP
Scorpio

5w4

5

4

@Chris 😂Sorry I just can't help myself but imagine that scenario. It's a clip from "The Last Man On Earth". Being stuck with someone you find not attractive and the least interesting but you have to pull up the courage and put your tastes aside for the survival of humanity.

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Chris

20d

ISTP
Scorpio

@Romeo Exactly. "Your confusion is not rational. She is a healthy female of breeding age." "I think there's a little more to it than that..."

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Rafael

20d

INTP
Sagittarius

I think the inbreeding issue is usually blown out of proportion, there is no way we don't have any inbreeding in our entire family tree since prehistory. I think that the amount of humans required to exist, say, at the time of rome or so for us to come from no inbreeding at all would be hilariously high therefore impossible. We also know that healthwise it makes sense to breed with someone who "looks like you", that means within reasonable genetic distance, if you go too far it's also detrimental as shown in the amount of genetic disease among the most "racemixed" people that exist right now, which are jewish people. My point is that people saying we would just die because there isn't an optimal amount of humans left is just not true. I think that having many children per couple and letting natural selection play its game would result in survival. If you have 8 kids and say, 2 die out of genetic defects, 2 have bearable life conditions, 2 have conditions that only appear at old age, and 2 are perfectly healthy, it's a pretty good deal given the predicament we would be in. P.S. I'm not from Alabama.

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Joseph

21d

ENFJ
Sagittarius

People will always be people and repeat the same mistakes. No matter what rules or resources there are.

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Kathryn

21d

INFP
Aquarius

5w6

5

6

If you don't mind me asking; what makes you say that?

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Joseph

21d

ENFJ
Sagittarius

@Kathryn Why are there only 100 people left on the planet in the first place? The most likely reason would be something that people caused.

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Kathryn

21d

INFP
Aquarius

5w6

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@Joseph My friend says that they were put into hybernation 20 years before an Instinction event happened and that hundreds of years have passed. He said he had to find the journal with the short story in it to remember.

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Joseph

21d

ENFJ
Sagittarius

@Kathryn That's fair, but can I ask you a question to pick your brain? Do you think a society with all of the food and water they could ever need would follow rules and maintain peace?

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Kathryn

21d

INFP
Aquarius

5w6

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@Joseph Yes. They have everything they need to survive, but, already know somethings wouldn't go well, because as human beings some of us are selfish creatures.

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Joseph

21d

ENFJ
Sagittarius

@Kathryn Yes, humans always do find a way to want more. I appreciate the positive outlook you hold overall. I enjoyed your post. ☺

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Kathryn

21d

INFP
Aquarius

5w6

5

6

@Joseph Thank you.😇

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Romeo

20d

INTP
Scorpio

5w4

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4

@Joseph So my question is this. We've already established that as the population increases and the survival rate increases, human nature will take root. People will instinctively wamt more for their children and for their contributions. I want to know is there a way to counteract this behavior, to ensure that we lead a life of piece and create a "Utopia"?

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Seyfe

20d

ENTJ
Aquarius

@Kathryn Yah frankly i don't agree with him.

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Akira

20d

ENFP
Libra

7w8

7

8

@Joseph It was theoretical question with emphasis put on How to restart civilization.. noy what caused it..who cares..biden was a president for too long and along with his globalist buddies and big pharma fuked up the planet..or iy was covid vaccine and killed off all who took boosters..there u go..bow lets go back to restarting civilization...im offering myself for a trial run..lol..me and 50 women..hmmm...sounds wonderful..lololol..

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Kathryn

20d

INFP
Aquarius

5w6

5

6

@Akira I don't mind answering questions, I'm having fun coming up with answers along with my friend.😇

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Kyle

21d

INTJ
Gemini

6w5

6

5

As an over think thinker I have alot but to keep it simple, I'd probably have some basic rules like no killing ect... but as time goes on enforce rules based on the events that happen. I'd have ultimate say on the rules.

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Kathryn

21d

INFP
Aquarius

5w6

5

6

I am an overthinker as well; I have a couple questions if you don't mind. Why would you want to have ultimate say on rules, and not a group of people with different POVs to come together and try and figure things out?

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Romeo

20d

INTP
Scorpio

5w4

5

4

@Kathryn Just to verify. You suggested a group of people to make up the rules and not the entire population?

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Kathryn

20d

INFP
Aquarius

5w6

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@Romeo My solution that I came up with ages ago, was to get a small group of the population to come together and talk on behalf of the entire population to come up with rules and deal with situations. That they could all get a consensus of everyone, but I have always had a positive outlook on people so....it could devolve..

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Romeo

19d

INTP
Scorpio

5w4

5

4

@Kathryn It does make sense to have a small diverse group of people to represent the masses, just as long as they are able to plan for the future. I'm saying this because it's human nature to seek temporary pleasure and avoid hardship. It would be wonderful though to create another " Auroville "

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Bobby 💙✨

20d

INFJ
Virgo

1w2

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2

Homo sapiens has survived for the first 140-240 thousand years with no rules or civilizations. These became necessary only later when the population became larger and denser.

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Real Human

21d

INTP
Scorpio

5w4

5

4

I'm pretty sure if so the nukes people built aren't maintained we all die anyway

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Sawyer

20d

ENFP
Sagittarius

2w3

2

3

Nukes have been pretty explicitly designed not to even be able to go off without deliberate arming pretty much since they stopped being prototype weapons.

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Fabian

21d

ENTJ
Capricorn

8w7

8

7

Power is neither good or evil, but its user makes it so. So if Kyle is an objective ruler it would be a problem, but as he is a human with emotions . He cannot and will not rule like that. He has to be an android to do so. I would suggest your approach too. But mix female and male , cause both options result in a better variety.

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Sam

20d

INTP
Taurus

5w4

5

4

Probably need more information about the survivors like their age, gender, occupation, health, sexual orientation, etc. Because even with a 100 people, only a handful will partner up and procreate. Some might leave and there might be a split leading to civil war. Another consideration will be the living environment. Will it be set in prehistoric, colonial, or modern times? Honestly, there are too many variables to account for and there is probably some sort of method with mathematics, psychology, sociology, and economic concepts to attempt to solve this.

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Sam

20d

INTP
Taurus

5w4

5

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@Kathryn Oh wow. Thank you for the additional information. It looks promising. Have you and your friend compile all this information into a spreadsheet? Because it will help organize the back story of each person, their mindset, etc. It will also help iron out the derails such as how a non binary man of asian descent be mute but uses ESL (english secondary language). I think you mean ASL (american sign language). Which leads to another point, communication. How will they communicate with one another? Is it all in English?

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Sam

20d

INTP
Taurus

5w4

5

4

@Kathryn I think i read that this will take place in future. You'll have to approach this differently such as how far into the future, what's the environment, technology and social behaviors look like. Since it seems far enough into the future where there are convenient translation devices and machines that maintains sleeping pregnant women. However it changes because in the future, human society will slowly have lesser languages. This is evident by the formation of countries. For example, there are many dialects in a country like Thailand and the Philippines but the national or main language is Thai and tagalog. Keep in mind that there will be trade offs and having the story set in the future will need careful deliberation.

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Kathryn

20d

INFP
Aquarius

5w6

5

6

@Sam Thank you. 😇 it looks like I have my work cut out for me.

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Sam

20d

INTP
Taurus

5w4

5

4

@Kathryn No problem. I am happy to contribute. Idk if you like to read 📚 but there are some books and topics i would like to suggest to you. The first book is "Brave New World". This is a novel that examine a futuristic society. Another book is "Lord of the flies", to understand the rule of law and human primal and complex behaviors. Other topics will include the history of human beings, history & the development of society & civilization, psychology, economics and philosophy. This book will seemingly require a vast ocean of knowledge and experience. And might take you and your friend years. Well that's pretty much the gist of what i had to say. Goodluck 🌟

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Kathryn

20d

INFP
Aquarius

5w6

5

6

@Sam Thank you!!!😇

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AnhQuan

21d

INTP
Sagittarius

4w5

4

5

There's a show called the 100.

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Kathryn

21d

INFP
Aquarius

5w6

5

6

I know. It's one of my favorites. The show wasnt even out yet when my friend and I talked about this though. We were 13 and passing time after our STARR tests.

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AnhQuan

21d

INTP
Sagittarius

4w5

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5

@Kathryn You would likely want a ratio of 1:4 of men to women to optimize population boom based on gestation period and seasonal alignment.

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Jacoby

20d

INFP
Aries

8w7

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I wouldn't aim to restart civilization. Civilizations tend to fail as people form classes and fight for power and control. Between studying anthropology, sociology, and survivalism, it seems the best thing to do would be to distribute everything fairly, including responsibility and decision making. Voting, trading, labor, etc. People would be expected to contribute in accordance with their capabilities, and all needs are provided. Native Americans survived for thousands of years using these methods and thrived even in the harshest environments.

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Marian

20d

INFJ
Libra

6w7

6

7

I am an overthinker but I gonna disregard all the details and focus on the core question - what rules? 😅 okay, gonna give it a try 😶 1. no physical harm to anyone else - any personal conflict will be settled verbally 2. certain decisions will be taken unanimously, but most of them by a majority voting 3. ressources are collectively owned (yes, it sounds like a communist idea 🚩 😅 but at such a low population and with the task of rebuilding the civilisation, a form of "central planning" would be necessary at least at the beginning. Owning personal belongings, e.g. things for memories, would be okay though)

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John Lawrence Piensenabis

20d

ISFJ
Gemini

3w4

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4

Free education but they need to work 8 hours on weekends. No charity but there are multiple benefits, if you work. Even you are crippled you can benefit from online jobs with lesser benefits. So there's no such thing as free lunch mam. There's no Entertainment involve NO VIDEO GAMES, PROSTITUTION, BARS, NIGHT CLUBS. Only news, talkshows, educational channels are shown to people. Construction workers are high paid for infrastructure development on modernization. Electronics, robotics, factories, automotives, automation are also high paid..500 years of development will decrease to 50 years of development with that strategy. Drug addicts, SPED, Crippled, Stopped Students, Old Students will work 8 hours also on weekends online or not, on campuses maintenance, technical assistance and utilities. A Miracle drug will be made to clear impurities of drugs in the body of every addicted users. But for sure the government will not sell it outside the facility. The name of the drug is hidden to the public even how it is made. Every drug addict on the facility are listed on government after the treatment so they can observe if they can stay sober and clean. rather than execution they will have isolated facilities with re-education process with withdrawal procedures and treatment. Boring, but as you can see there's peace and order. No vices, no guns because people are disciplined and every people are enjoying there multiple benefit salary. Eating with their family and having some vacation on weekends. .Isnt that happy every people are having peaceful living.. Even it's not that perfect..80 percent of population is at peace..I mean peaceful living. I think that's my answer mam 😊😊

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Rodrigo Esteves

20d

INFP
Virgo

2w1

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Only a kid can be born every year. Be kind to one another and learn about yourself every single aspect of you!

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deleted

20d

INTP
Libra

5w6

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rule 1: live as one, you are not separated entity from others, so treat each other as you would treat your own body, seeing the big picture that everyone is indeed one

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Toomas

20d

INFJ
Aries

2w3

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The social instincts for living in a small tribe like that are pretty much programmed and hammered into people by many, many thousands of years of evolution. A decent harmony and cooperation will come around naturally. Complex laws are really more of a modern necessity for managing millions, which won't be a problem anymore.

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Magikarp

21d

ENTJ
Pisces

9w8

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Fight each other to the death!

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Derek

21d

INFP
Capricorn

1w2

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All ppl be straight

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Diptesh

21d

INTJ
Taurus

6w7

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lol

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Derek

20d

INFP
Capricorn

1w2

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That's the only way to survive or in one generation they are all extinct

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abi

20d

INFJ
Gemini

8w7

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rule 1: don't try to restart civilization. why? because there is something could cause when it just 100 people left

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Hannah

20d

ENFP
Taurus

Well it depends on how many men and how many women are left is it 50 male? 50 female? Really the issues change depending on this.

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Kathryn

20d

INFP
Aquarius

5w6

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The numbers that have been set are 40 males and 60 females.

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