Artem

Posted Wednesday, December 6, 2023

2mo

INTJ
Capricorn

6w7

6

7

Is there only one truth or can it be different for everyone?

2

27

Comment

Philosophy Community

The philosophy community, chat, and discussion. Meet new people.

619K SOULS

Best

Best

New

Bz

2mo

ENFJ
Virgo

6w7

6

7

There's one truth. Different perspectives, never confuse the two. Having a perspective does not equal to a truth, only a segment of the greater truth

3

1

Reply

Lovely

2mo

ENTP
Pisces

8w7

8

7

0

0

Reply

Fran

2mo

INFP
Capricorn

6w7

6

7

The truth is never singular, there can be multiple truths for different people. Depending on how people perceive a situation, their background or just how they might feel about something in particular. There's never just only one truth, unless you're talking about physics or mathematics which is a more objective subject.

3

16

Reply

MaT

2mo

INTJ
Libra

2w1

2

1

Truth =/= perception of truth

0

1

Reply

Fran

2mo

INFP
Capricorn

6w7

6

7

@MaT well that depends because if you perceived a situation let's say, you have an argument with a friend about how you never show up for them and you say you're dealing with stuff, financial, health issues or whatever so you can't really be there for them 24/7 but at the same time they're also going through stuff and they need their friend but you're not there for them, there are 2 different truths and none of them are wrong, you're dealing with stuff and they're dealing with stuff but their perception of things is that you won't show up for them in their time of need and your perception of stuff is that you're dealing with things your friend doesn't know about because they cannot put themselves jn your shoes. So it's impossible for the truth to be just one and it is very much attached to perceptions. Again, unless you're talking about an objective issue, but human beings are subjective beings and so are their truths.

0

1

Reply

MaT

2mo

INTJ
Libra

2w1

2

1

@Fran Is it a fact of reality that both of them have their own stuff to do or is it just their personal opinion?

0

1

Reply

Fran

2mo

INFP
Capricorn

6w7

6

7

@MaT it is a fact and a truth that they both are dealing with stuff which makes their perception of what their friendship should be different from the other's. In both cases the truth is that they have stuff going on and in both cases their truth is that they wished their friend was there for them but isn't and whatever the reason for their friend not being there in that time of need isn't their reality so it isn't their truth and so they differ in how the perceive the other person's reality to be aka they consider whatever it is the other is going through doesn't justify said friend to not be there for the other. That doesn't mean the way they feel or their issues aren't real, both are experiencing valid issues and they both are living different realities (truths) but one reality doesn't apply to the other person so what it's true for friend A doesn't necessarily have to be true for person B because they both have 2 different issues, both valid, both very much true but they're not experiencing the same experiences so their perception of the other person's truth isn't justifiable because it doesn't apply to them. That's why there can never be one immobile, specific truth but if you disagree you're welcome to live your own truth 🤷🏻‍♀️

0

1

Reply

MaT

2mo

INTJ
Libra

2w1

2

1

@Fran There is nothing like "different realities". What you probably mean is, that they have "different views on the situation".

0

1

Reply

Fran

2mo

INFP
Capricorn

6w7

6

7

@MaT There are different realities. I don't live the same reality as you for example, we are in 2 different countries, we have very different backgrounds, we have different opinions and experiences, we don't even share the same gender so your reality is very different from mine. I can view one situation in a certain way and you can differ, that's an opinion, but your reality, aside from the fact that we both live on planet earth, are very different.

0

1

Reply

MaT

2mo

INTJ
Libra

2w1

2

1

@Fran You are just using different definitions for the terms "reality" and "truth" than I do or than it is common in philosophy. I tried to translate it in your language.^^

0

1

Reply

Fran

2mo

INFP
Capricorn

6w7

6

7

@MaT I'm not using different definitions, your reality is literally your truth, there are many truths in your life, you have the truth of your beliefs, you belive what you think to be true, if you thought something to be false you wouldn't believe it. You live a reality that's different from everyone else which is why I'm saying that the truth is SUBJECTIVE, because it depends on the individual and their experiences, set of beliefs and even political views. The truth is something so big that you can even see differences between Kant's definition of truth and Aristoteles, they lived different realities too because they don't even belong to the same era, so when you say I'm using different definitions for "reality" and "truth" in this specific case, when we're talking about the truth per say, they're synonymous. And my native language has nothing to do with what I'm saying right now, I'm literally writing in English and the meaning of the things I'm saying have no other than the ones given by the English language.

0

1

Reply

MaT

2mo

INTJ
Libra

2w1

2

1

@Fran Then tell me the definition of truth and reality that you are using?

0

1

Reply

Fran

2mo

INFP
Capricorn

6w7

6

7

@MaT My definition, or are you looking for a set definition written somewhere with a university/college signed and printed? Because if you want mine you can reread what I said on my previous comment. Otherwise, I am sorry but I'm not debating to change your mind about anything, I'm stating how I see the truth and how I understand it's different for everyone, not for someone else or how an institution has chosen to define what the truth is (no matter whether it matches my belief of what the truth is or not). If you disagree, that's your opinion and I'm not interested in changing it. Ps/edit: Because again, even the classic philosophers disagree or add to a pre existent definition, which only adds to what I stated previously, that there's no thing as one single truth.

0

1

Reply

MaT

2mo

INTJ
Libra

2w1

2

1

@Fran I am asking for your definition, but I did not find it in any of your previous messages. You only said things about how reality and truths works or gave examples.

0

1

Reply

Fran

2mo

INFP
Capricorn

6w7

6

7

@MaT And that's not explicit enough for you or do I need to give you a summary and repeat myself for like the 5th time? xD

0

1

Reply

MaT

2mo

INTJ
Libra

2w1

2

1

@Fran A definition is usually one sentence, that starts with "truth is...".^^ Make it simple for the simple minded like me. 😁

0

1

Reply

Fran

2mo

INFP
Capricorn

6w7

6

7

@MaT Basically what I said there, it might be a bit long but I don't think I'm able to explain that any simpler or can think of more examples to give because to be honest, I'm kinda lazy to keep on "arguing" about something, again, so subjective lol

Basically what I said there, it might be a <a href="/u/bit" class="transition linked-keyword" target="_blank">bit</a> <a href="/database/profile/63130/long-personality-type" class="transition linked-keyword" target="_blank">long</a> but I don't think I'm able to explain that any simpler or can think of more examples to give because to be <a href="/u/honest" class="transition linked-keyword" target="_blank">honest</a>, I'm kinda <a href="/u/lazy" class="transition linked-keyword" target="_blank">lazy</a> to <a href="/u/keep" class="transition linked-keyword" target="_blank">keep</a> on "arguing" about something, again, so subjective <a href="/u/lol" class="transition linked-keyword" target="_blank">lol</a>

0

1

Reply

MaT

2mo

INTJ
Libra

2w1

2

1

@Fran Alright, then no definitions.

0

1

Reply

Fran

2mo

INFP
Capricorn

6w7

6

7

@MaT If you say so. For me that's pretty much a definition, it explains what role reality plays in the truth and what the truth is or can consist of, but I guess we will have to differ there.

0

0

Reply

Kai

2mo

ENFP
Cancer

7w8

7

8

There can be as many truths as there are observers. Especially if they're unaffiliated and their vantage points are different. 🤔

1

6

Reply

MaT

2mo

INTJ
Libra

2w1

2

1

So "truth" is just a matter of opinion?

0

1

Reply

Kai

2mo

ENFP
Cancer

7w8

7

8

@MaT it depends on the context, but no, not universally. It's why I said "there can be". Some truths are pretty undeniable, some are a matter of viewpoint, or subject to debate and change, even in the world of science. However, most of us accept "absolute truths" from our chosen betters without question, to some degree.

0

1

Reply

MaT

2mo

INTJ
Libra

2w1

2

1

@Kai And how do we know which truths are objective and wich ones are subjective? With you logic, can't I just go and make every truth being just my opinion?

0

1

Reply

Kai

2mo

ENFP
Cancer

7w8

7

8

@MaT By doing thorough research, gathering evidence for and against, eliminating obvious untruths, biases, rhetoric... expanding your own understanding of a concept or situation. Your guess is as good as mine given enough information. Have you looked into politics? Your last question can be answered quite easily through that lens. 😅

0

1

Reply

MaT

2mo

INTJ
Libra

2w1

2

1

@Kai I think, we have a drastically different understanding of the word "truth". How would you define that?

0

1

Reply

Mishka

2mo

ENTP
Gemini

3w4

3

4

Depends on what you're talking about. Not all viewpoints are equally valid, despite what many people like to hypocritically pretend to believe

0

0

Reply

Some text some message..

We use cookies on our website for a number of purposes, including analytics, performance, and advertising. Learn more.

Analytics

Cookies are used to collect data on how you visit our website, which helps us improve and customize it for you. Cookies also aid in the analysis of web traffic patterns, allowing us to see what works best for our visitors and determine areas where we can improve.

Performance

Cookies are used to personalize your experience by ensuring that you see content based on your preferences and interests, as well as the areas in which our website may be utilized. Cookies are required for certain services available through our website, such as access to secure locations, and they are being used by some of its critical features such as secure areas access.

We use cookies on our website for a number of purposes, including analytics, performance, and advertising. Learn more.

Analytics

Cookies are used to collect data on how you visit our website, which helps us improve and customize it for you. Cookies also aid in the analysis of web traffic patterns, allowing us to see what works best for our visitors and determine areas where we can improve.

Performance

Cookies are used to personalize your experience by ensuring that you see content based on your preferences and interests, as well as the areas in which our website may be utilized. Cookies are required for certain services available through our website, such as access to secure locations, and they are being used by some of its critical features such as secure areas access.