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Timh

3 days ago

ESFJ
Taurus

5w6

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Science over superstition?

What do you say when someone tries to claim that the big bang and/or evolution are incorrect and that there is a "creator"?

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Mike

3 days ago

INTJ
Virgo

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neither big bang or evolution disprove creationism. i believe they could all fit together. ie: if your kid asked you why they need to plug in their tablet to use it. are you going to go into detail about power plants, electric wires, the history of Franklin and Edison. no, your not. your just simply going to say because it needs power to run. same thing a God wouldnt tell us well i took these bosons and electrons and smashed together till i got protons and then made hydrogen.....all the way to planets and then making living things....etc etc. they are probably going to say i just made it with my thoughts/words. also they are still both theories, not real proven facts yet. still being discovered/tested.

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Scott

3 days ago

INFJ
Virgo

You're misunderstanding what theory means in scientific lexicon: "an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that has been repeatedly tested and corroborated in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results." These things are practically proven facts, not guesses or incomplete ideas.

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Joshua

3 days ago

INTJ
Scorpio

5w4

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There are plenty of theories that clash with each other while still fitting that definition. They can't all be correct. Rather, at best, only one of them can be. Until someone can successfully prove without any doubt which one that is, every theory will fail to be a proven fact.

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Scott

3 days ago

INFJ
Virgo

Well, you've made it clear that you don't understand what a scientific theory is. We can't agree on the terms so discussion is impossible, attempts at it are pointless. Good luck, sir.

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Joshua

3 days ago

INTJ
Scorpio

5w4

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Good luck to you as well. You'll never learn anything until you accept the possibility of being wrong

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Mike

3 days ago

INTJ
Virgo

3w4

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thank you for your precise definition Scott. that is very helpful.

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Maria

3 days ago

ENFJ
Aquarius

Wow. This is one wonderful way to put it. I am a scientist and I am very spiritual. Why can these two not coexist? Thank you Mike. This is great 👍

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Christopher

2 days ago

ENTJ
Sagittarius

Creationism states that the earth and human beings are a few thousand years old, evolution states that they're millions of years old.

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Mike

2 days ago

INTJ
Virgo

3w4

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well maybe a little reformation needs to take place so its a little more up to date. and all can be welcomed. cause if you really believe the earth is only a few thousand years old.....yeah thats like saying you think the world in flat nowadays.

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Christopher

2 days ago

ENTJ
Sagittarius

You can't reform the bible though, it's the truth that came directly from God and Jesus. So to change anything in it is throwing out what God/Jesus directly told the people who wrote it.

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Mike

2 days ago

INTJ
Virgo

3w4

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very good sir. thank you for your honesty on your beliefs.

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Christopher

2 days ago

ENTJ
Sagittarius

For the record I believe in scientific theories and evolution. I was explaining why creationism and evolution can't coexist, they're directly opposed to one another.

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Mike

2 days ago

INTJ
Virgo

3w4

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ill agree that there are some sects of creationism that do believe that the earth is very young, a few thousand years. but that is a select few and it shrinks every year. however there are a much larger and growing number that have cast down that believe. not every book of the bible is accepted as 100% truth. there are debates about translations and even what books to add/take away entirely. so depending on who you talk to some will agree with you. but most will not. i believe they can coexist and will coexist. as a general rule they do not oppose each other.

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Joshua

3 days ago

INTJ
Scorpio

5w4

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What do I say when people try to claim that a theory is incorrect? I say, that's probably why it's still just a theory. The theory of evolution is exactly that. If people knew for sure that it was correct, it wouldn't be a theory.

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Scott

3 days ago

INFJ
Virgo

That only flies if you're not using the scientific definition of theory: "an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that has been repeatedly tested and corroborated in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results." The theory of evolution is undeniably correct. The body of evidence for it is nearly infinite and the evidence against it is practically zero. It's only not a law because we can't observe macroevolution directly.

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Joshua

3 days ago

INTJ
Scorpio

5w4

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Undeniably? You clearly haven't been paying attention. There are thousands of people who deny it, and they have plenty of reasons for doing so. One such reason is the hilariously inaccurate measurements brought by carbon dating, and how many additional theories have been mislead because they were formed under the assumption that carbon dating is accurate. All it takes is a single miscalculation to make every calculation after that, entirely inaccurate.

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Scott

3 days ago

INFJ
Virgo

Belief is irrelevant to truth. Under what I perceive to be your worldview Islam must be true because over a billion people believe it. Evolution is backed by a mountain of evidence and detracted from by no evidence. Are you sure you're paying attention?

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Joshua

3 days ago

INTJ
Scorpio

5w4

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I sure am. Truth is indeed more important than what one believes. And you have failed to prove that your theory is true. Which means it is still quite deniable. You also assume quite false that no evidence detracts from evolution. You aren't at all open to discussion. You're just as blind you believe others to be

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Andrew

2 days ago

INFP
Virgo

It's not "just a theory". Evolution is a fact. The theory is about how it occurred, not whether it did or not.

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Joshua

2 days ago

INTJ
Scorpio

5w4

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Evolution as you know it, is inaccurate. Just because it holds some truth doesn't mean it's entirety Is truth. There are many flaws with the theory of Evolution, just like there are flaws with other theories. One example is blood rush. There isn't enough time for generations to adapt to the threats of bending down to get a drink of water, then standing back up again. Especially if you have a particularly long neck. That will kill you, long before you are ever old enough to reproduce and keep your species alive. The threat of blood rush has to be dealt with successfully the first time around, which means it has to be anticipated and prepared for before the first of your species comes into existence. The typical theory of evolution doesn't allow for such a possibility. Evolution doesn't put enough thought into the thousands of everyday occurrences that every species has to deal with and survive through, the very first time they encounter it and every time after. Evolution fails to grasp the big picture because it ignores the smaller details. I'm pretty sure just about every other theory does this as well. Theories are merely theoretical. Until someone can track and calculate all the necessary details, I doubt we'll find anything more reliable than a blurry view of reality.

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Andrew

2 days ago

INFP
Virgo

That was the biggest pile of b.s. I have read in a while. Thanks for the laugh. You clearly are just repeating nonsense that you have heard. You believe it because it fits what you want to be true. But science is about facts and evidence. We have mountains of evidence for evolution. It happened. It is still happening. As I said before - evolution is a fact, the theory is the explanation of why and how it happened. That's it. That's all. I must know - do you so, therefore, believe in a global flood?

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Joshua

2 days ago

INTJ
Scorpio

5w4

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I am glad I could entertain you, if nothing more. It sounds to me like you believe that as long as one alternate theory is wrong, yours must therefore be correct. Which is extremely closed minded. I will respect someone who knows how to hold a proper logical debate. But your fallacies are apparent, so I won't bother to entertain you further. You are welcome to present a rebuttal of my issue with blood rush if you so desire. I stand fast to the belief that a single error in a calculation will result in a false result. So long as even a single error remains, it is not the correct answer.

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James

3 days ago

INTP
Cancer

So you mean to tell me that the earth just so happens to be in the correct spot in the solar system where all life doesn't A: burns up from the sun or B:Freezes to death for being to far from the sun.

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